He is just beyond. The only. I would say as well TOAA seems "more" omnipotent then Presence. The Superhero Database Classification number, or SHDB Class, is a number that represents the overall 'power' of a character. 7 K. bluepride1234. Apparently due to the latest post about Doom people are claiming some Bleach characters like Aizen can beat The God Emperor. Also Beyonder could do pretty much anything while Lord of Nightmare does not have any feats. He was the TOAA of his own multiverse, separate to that of the Marvel multiverse, before he came across the. [deleted] • 8 yr. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Marvel team : Pre-Retcon Molecule Man, The Beyonder & Living Tribunal. Red Mist vs Galactus. Dr Manhattan isn't a match for Galactus, and Galactus is a mere insect to the Beyonder. No one is that powerful. And yeah he stomps. Team The Daughter Of Mortis - vs - Team Beyonder #. and to become. . Beyonder - vs - The One-Above-All # 54. The new retconned ones aren't the same powerwise at all. Neither of. TOAA was the supreme being of the marvel multiverse (interchangeably called universe) and everything in it. 9 years. The beyonders as a race are generally pathetic compared to the Beyonder also, it took a bunch for them to beat LT while PRB was millions of times stronger than him even weakened. British_Tea_Company • 7 yr. u/nullfather can attest to that. Azathoth solos. So this battle is TOAA vs. Featherine should be comparable to PR Beyonder or EGD, but she isn't beating TOAA. In other words the only feat the One Above All has that is confirmed is creating a reality of infinite. Oh boy, Michael wins. Molceule Man is powerful, and I believe he once contained a multiverse in a box, but there is no chance he can beat. so the problem is that, Oblivion kinda has an upgrade in ranks during the decades, in the past Oblivion was kinda in the same rank that Eternity, Infinite and lady death, but in more modern comics, is hinted that he is way above that, The Chaos King that was revealed to be just a avatar of oblivion, basically a strand of oblivion hair, was above Eternity, The Griever that was destroying the. And the SCP verse is on par with the Dark Tower when it comes to sheer size and scale. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. Follow 4160. TOAA (Starlin/Milgrom) in 03' created THOTI to be the most powerful force in all Marvel. Oldfather 18. Don't get me wrong, The Beyonder (pre-retcon) is still within top 5 most powerful Comic Characters (likely top 10), but is nowhere near the most powerful fictional character. I get that TOAA not intervening in the Time Runs Out/Secret Wars saga makes it difficult to confirm but, honestly, TOAA can just remove and recreate the omniverse (as implied in Marvel: The. So basically Superman is getting rolled over. He was like the 2nd strongest guy in Marvel, only underneath the One Above All. TOAA is basically the Writer's manifistation with-in the story. 1. Dr Manhattan isn't a match for Galactus, and Galactus is a mere insect to the Beyonder. Forum Posts. So, he could absolutely manipulate the hell out of Beyonder. ) should be banned from the Battles Forum, as any fight they're in will end with. I see no one equal to the gods of DC and Marvel: The Presence and The One Above All. Marvel Cinematic Universe is going crazy day by day. He was stated to be millions of times powerful than the Entire Marvel Multiverse Combined which even included The Living Tribunal and Molecule Man and We all know that Living Tribunal is almost as Powerful As Michael Demiurgos. No. “INTO THE OCEAN OF REALITY YOU HAVE CROSSED DIMENSIONAL PLANES. Untill than this is a stomp and should be closed due to their current levels on the wiki. "Beyonder stomp "I don't think so! First of most people consider TOAA(fulcrum) to be slightly above Beyonder in the end. if anything. The Beyonders are characters that exist within the boundaries of Marvel Comics, which means TOAA is more powerful than them. The power of love is said to be a threat. Beyonder being > Oblivion aint change the fact that Beatrice steamrolles Marvel sans TOAA . ' beyonder is millions of times more powerful thsn LT, TOAA, Fulcrum and every other Marvel guy combined. 0. #1 quandaledingle. Which seems appropriate. NULL_Terrorist. Meaning he became everything and everyone. Mxy on the other hand erased every universe that ever existed and seemed to be also aware of a author, and Beyonder was described as a god in his own universe, essentially TOAA. Fight takes place in an empty multiverse. They’re both fairly obvious picks. Gan & The Crimson King are good & evil sides of capital "G" God. The One Above All (Marvel Comics) + The Presence (DC Comics) CONDITIONS: Versions: Strongest known canon versions. Respect Pre-Retcon Beyonder. ago. I am unsure post-retcon Beyonder would even beat that version of her, which was a far. 8 C. The Beyonders are powerful, but ultimately still finite. Based on the events post Secret Wars, TOAA is supposed to be beyond the Beyonder. Suggested by: #scarletking #theoneaboveall #toaaTOAA has no authority on Beyonder, nonetheless, Beyonder was the Supreme Being in the Universe of the Beyonders. Beyonder both times, i find God of stories loki just generally to be wanked by flowery wording and shitty interpretation, hes still currently god of stories and got shit on by Donald Blake who just had some power of Thor and the World Serpant. I don't think he means all of them just the one true Supreme being. and it's the rules of the. Not even beyonder is that powerful. Everything that takes place is his dreams. The Beyonder and the One-Above-All both have a decent claim to being the most powerful character in the Marvel Universe. However, based on what he's acknowledged for, Empty Hand solos arguably all of Marvel, bar TOAA. Probably thanos as he seemed to. The Divine Order is where LT gets it's powers from. Thus he is more more powerful than Fulcrum who may or may not be associated with TOAA. It is like TOAA vs Beyonder. Beyonder vs The Celestials. and he isn't omniscience. The Living Tribunal is absolutely more powerful than Beyonder and would be able to defeat him. He was initially depicted as functionally omnipotent showing feats like creating planets and destroying galaxies. Reviews: 0. . Ninja-Yatsu • 10 mo. Forum Posts. The winner would just be based on whose power takes priority over the other, which is arbitrary. They were both supreme powers above the LT. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. It's actually arguable that Beyonder > TOAA based on feats. Jul 30, 2018. So in actuality: Beyonder = PM. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. 3. 2. Beyonder is marvel. Like this for instance in Secret Wars II beyonder was beyond the marvel multiverse, multiverse then later there was suddenly a omniverse all governed by TOAA, TOAA began with a multiverse and suddenly got a omniverse to play with, but do you see him get retcon no, but his power just grow exponentially, the same with LT in Secret Wars II he was. The "Nuh-uh, Presence is not omnipotent. There is still reason to believe You Sothoth exceeds Beyonder. I think HOI vision, GOS loki, GOP thor all beat astral regulator Thanos (arguments can show that gop and gos neg thanos) that's only to name a few, I'm sure there's more specially since u included non cannon. Follow 15315. The more powerful Thanos becomes, CA Superman will surpass it. Strange, The Living Tribunal, Cosmic Abstracts (including ones that embody the concept of time, death, and infinity), Beyonder, Molecule Man, the omniverse, etc. M. This. Marvel is a pretty strong verse, but is there anyone who can beat it? Even with a VS as wide ranging as battling the whole Marvel-verse, it still helps to get some specifics nailed down in the OP. Dante 1 y 7 d. The Beyonder/s (Marvel) vs Bleach universe. They are a weaker subsection of the Beyonder race that is nowhere near as powerful as the army that defeated the abstracts of the multiverse. Team Beyonder - vs - Team The Spectre #. The Beyonder here, is referring to his pre-nerf version from Secret Wars II, since he got nerfed by Marvel writers and artists afterwards. You. 3 years ago. Pre Retcon Beyonder = TOAA > Eternity. . The first version of Beyonder should be able to beat anything and anyone in Marvel. @DJSNuva1 said: " Bruce=God Beyonder<God "Not true. Absolutely not Definitely yes Ellis Foster Been reading comics since before I could read. The One-Above-All is Omnipotent (All Powerful), Omniscient (All Knowing), and Omnipresent (Everywhere). TOAA have failed. Beyonder is not omnipotent since he couldn't bring death back. He's the literal definition of Outerverse, as he restored the entire MU after the HOTU-Thanos event. He’s supposed to be the number 2 behind. Beyonder 16. The Crimson King from The Dark Tower fights The Pre-Retcon Beyonder from Marvel. What I given I can take away, so: Richard Reeds and Sue Storm can take away Franklin Richards power. I'm well aware that Beyonder is much more powerful than LT. But If TOAA existed in Marvel when Pre-Beyonder was created then he isn't omnipotent. I'm talking about the original version, a Tier 0 character. Wait if Defender Beyonder is above TOAA than Marvel truly retcon TOAA from being omnipotent to megaversal or omniversal level abstract than. TOAA is omnipotent in the Marvel multiverse , not outside of it. . Pre-retcon Beyonder. -Beyonder/s are bloodlusted. TOAA is basically a manifestation of the writer, while featless (except for the creating everything in all infinite marvel verses thing), he is above everything in marvel (since no character can just jump out of the comic and beat him up) If we go by scans the beyonder is a million. Thanos HOTU has a fraction of the power of the One-Above-All, the most powerful being of both the Marvel and DC Universes. . Forum Posts. PR Beyonder had full backing by Marvel Boss, Jim Shooter to do anything he wanted. (Is a Aspect of true TOAA, probably the Strongest aspect, because he dreams everything in marvel except the HOI, and he dreamed the love and hate the weapons of TOBA, and TOAA,. DC_Marvel_1000 said: " Kentaxx said: "Dude PR Beyonder was the most powerful being in comics outside of gods like TOAA ". They are not beyonders and are instead a subservient race for them, ala the Mapmakers or the Sidera Maris and so on. 8 years ago lettsplay10Doom fucking killed them all and banned the word Beyonder from Marvel Comics and the fact that ban hasn't been kept is disappointing. Viners voted on it. Reply. The original Beyonder was created for the Secret Wars (1985) miniseries. There is only one Beyonder and its capabilities are beyond anything any cosmic being on this list can even begin to contemplate. He destroyed the Sun sometime in Ardas history. And to the other people bringing up TOAA, he is basically The. 4 years ago. He's nowhere near Beyonder levels. given TOAA's omnipotence is dependent on certain factors he's not a true omnipotent and doesn't have better feats than pre recton Beyonder, so being toaa or not wouldn't matterIs the Beyonder's anti-feat considered and do we take "omnipotence" at face value? Is Above All Others considered to be the same character as The One Above All, giving this entity an anti-feat? For the most part, I'd say TOAA is even beyond The Pre-Retcon Beyonder, but I can see arguments for why this isn't the case, or arguments for them. Follow 1. . beyonder, to friggin TOAA v. There was a guy that could copy powers that defeated the LT. -This version is considered to be Omnipotent. TOAA: Got KOed by Thanos with the Regulator, stated he wasn't omnipotent unless the multiverse had "order", smaller multiverse. Round 3: TOAA vs pre retcon beyonder (not sure if he’s actually omnipotent) Bonus: if all three lose, than TOAA vs all three together This thread is archived New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast comments sorted by Best Top New Controversial Q&A Coldsocial • Additional comment actions. he is omnipresent. She inherited the Demiurgic power through her father and with Lucifer's guidance, she molded and created her own universe, and that was a vastly weaker and earlier version. Minor nitpick. 5 characters that can beat that living tribunal,marvel characters who can defeat the living tribunal,4 characters that can defeat celestials,5 marvel cosmic. They are so many tiers apart that it's not even worth trying to count. On the other hand, there are entities – or an entity – that are equal to The. MOM hasn't shown any feats to suggest that he is on the same exact level as TOAA, let alone Pre-Recton Beyonder. We can't scale TOAA to Beyonder because TOAA didn't exist. Today's TOAA was taken from the Beyonder blueprint, since TOAA is arguably and "supposedly" more powerful than the Presence before he replaced himself with Elaine Belloc, who was not. 9 years ago. -. By Kevin Irizarry Updated Mar 28, 2023 The Beyonder and the One-Above-All are godlike beings in the Marvel Universe, but one is definitely a more supreme being. I see through many eyes. Max Deen. Yamcha will use his 0,00000000000001% power and Speed Equalized for this don't become a Spite Thread. Thus the beyonder was never greater than the marvel megaverse (all of the marvel company), nor was he greater than those who controlled him (his superiors aka TOAA). The Beyonder is far, far beyond a Multiversal. State of mind: Characters will employ their usual battle strategies, including flaws. Now, Beyonder doesn't work like that, and is more ore less considered TOAA level, not above, but about the closest thing you could get to TOAA without being TOAA. 12 years ago. Stalemate. Thats because most Marvel and Beyonder know it all, like @Endless Mike do not post around here anymore. 193 4. SCP 3812. Follow 1. 3 The Beyonder. Marvel's cosmology and hax are shit. [12] He is also. The Beyonder in. . This allows him to teleport billions of people, establish telepathic linkages between realities, and even employ it in battle. TOAA also has some plot manipulation and reality warping feats. bcs he is embodyment of writher than is boundless and far stronger than all characters hereYamcha vs The One Above All, Madoka Kaname, The Presence and Galactus. Pre retcon Beyonder was literally TOAA level. beyonder Yep, lol. Bonus round: Chousins vs pre-retcon beyonder . Neither of. TOAA have failed. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. -Beyonder/s are bloodlusted. Beyonder was the sum power of a multiverse, which still resides within a greater omniverse that Wanda's spell began to collapse. Beyonder is a supreme being from another universe, he is equal to TOAA. Its highly subjective since Superman is kind of featless. Because I always thought we put the Presence on the level of TOAA, the supreme being from the Marvel Multiverse, but that Soul-Glo Jumpsuit Donny Osmond was above. Pre Retcon Beyonder was always above TOAA/AAO based on him being millions of times bigger than the entire Marvel multiverse (which is what TOAA/AAO consists of). Master Chief, Guts, Captain America, Batman, Aragorn, Geralt, Levi and Black Noir vs. Beyonder can manipulate the universe at his will, and on top of that, it is part of the reason why. But no matter, marvel characters have existed long enough to flick them. So there are two possibilities here. A fight which takes place on countless levels other than the physical. Beyonder would be stomped. 168. He can destroy the omniverse with minimal effort. 1 Answer. Thanos would be able to overpower Cosmic Entities like the Beyonder and, on top of that, Thanos is more used to using power on this scale than Doom. He is the most powerful being in the Marvel Multiverse. The Primal Monitor is the whole DC. So I might be missing something. I think the idea. Ima go with byonder. s. 4. PR Beyonder vs TOAA would be a stalemate. 3. Team 1: The Beyonders. 7K subscribers Join Subscribe 3K. -Everything in bleach. s. . Even Molecule Man at the height of his powers was almost nothing to Beyonder. During PR Beyonder's time, the idea of TOAA had never been established. Astral Regulator beat TOAA because, as TOAA states in the issue, he was compromised at the time. DarkGodBane • 7 yr. #edit #short #shorts #debate #comics #marvel #marvelcomics #alightmotionSo you see, in order for TOAA to totally and permanently destroy the "Real" and "True" Beyonder aka the Beyonder God he has to kill Billy219 and everyone who has ever read Secret Wars or knows. He is the most powerful being in the Marvel Multiverse. Zeus (mythoology) vs The One Above All. Beyonder 16. The Presence decided to wage war with TOAA and gathered an army to fight TOAA TOAA the Marvel god! not the celestial These are the members of the army: Pre-Retcon Beyonder Saints of Killers with. Jan 1, 2019. . They are god of their own comics. No prep for either. Abraxas, the personification of the destruction of the multiverse, is likely somewhere around here, although since he only appeared in a few issues of Fantastic Four as far as I know,. SCP 3812. There is a reason for his name "the one above all". 11 years ago. so any one of then can easily defeat beyonder without even. Stalemate. The-One-Above-All is the supreme creator of all existence in the Marvel omniverse and is. the same Molecule Man that trapped the Omniverse in a box. However, PR Beyonder is an extremely powerful reality warper and is simply way out of Dr. Dormammu said: Beyonder outclasses her heavily, Featherine would be a better match. TOAA probably isn't more powerful than suggsverse characters. TOAA has complete control over every universe including 616. 4 years ago. Forum Posts. and yes, its the considered the strongest character in fiction by all comicbook/anime forums. Nhiều Fan cho rằng One Above All (TOAA) là sở hữu quyền năng tuyệt đối và đứng đầu Đa vũ trụ và hơn hẳn Beyonder. Pre-Retcon is irrelevant (has been for decades) only current The Beyonder and members of his species count 1 versus 1 All try their hardest to win Round 1: Peak condition and trying hard Round 2: Augmentation (like sundipping for kryptonians) and trying hard. All Mighty: better feats, bigger multiverse, didn't get KOed by one of his creations. TOAA vs Beyonder TOAA: Retcon biyotch. so he is far from being the strongest in fiction not even top 20 strongest in fiction. fangirl101. Childlike and vastly powerful, he grew up in a universe created by the other Beyonders for their young. But no matter, marvel characters have existed long enough to flick them. infinity - infinity is still fucking infinity. 11 years agoR1: TOAA Celestial vs Full Powered Entity R2: WPOTC vs Full Powered Entity R3: Galactus vs Full Powered Entity Bonus: All 3 of them at maximum power vs Full Powered Entity with the help of a Beyonder. Ok, this is what I thought. TOAA has no powers. Hands down. TOAA wins because it's stated that Pre-Retcon Beyonder had control of the entire Multiverse excluding 616. ". The Beyonder even confirmed that he was fully Omnipotent, being on-par with TOAA since he was able to defeat Molecule Man, who Eternity, Infinity and other Cosmic Abstract entities, including The Living Tribunal were frightened of and Molecule Man was specified to be the most powerful being in Marvel, but Molecule Man was absolutely terrified. 47. This. TOAA is the strongest character in fiction because he is the creator of the marvel universe. The Beyonder/s (Marvel) vs Bleach universe. 6. It hardly even implies that the last frontier is TOAA while basically directly saying that there are beings stronger than TOAA, And when confronted they will say ‘It obviously means rl, Source: Trust me Bro’ when the only reason it could mean that is because it mentions Loki and Beyonder wanting to go to the Real World. It is capable of becoming a Multiversal threat, but it's vastly weaker than any of the Apollyon-Class SCPs. ago. Words that describe the idea that Beyonder is equal to TOAA. Nyx House Of Ideas 10. Follow 4160. If this. #12 Edited By Montaq. Elaine Belloc would win under both scenarios, 2nd would be pointless. Scenario: Through the miracle of TOAA, Living Tribunal summoned the most powerful army in the existence of Marvel to fight the entire race of Beyonders outside Marvel-verse. . #2 Stalin-Is-Steel. Oldfather 18. SCP-682 (SCP Foundation) vs Beyonder (Pre Retcon) Fight ends only in Death. Glory stomps. In other words the only feat the One Above All has that is confirmed is creating a reality of infinite. TOBA is just TOAA's alternate persona. 11 years ago. dunno where they went other than TOAA clapped his hands and they were gone. Nope. Both have absolute 100% control. along with. No it is not. The Beyonders are characters that exist within the boundaries of Marvel Comics, which means TOAA is more powerful than them. Phoenixblue. Victory Conditions: Death, KO. Isnt TOBA far weaker and limited than TOAABeyonder was basically God of his own universe (he was his own universe, so basically, he was a young/fresh TOAA comming into being! So he was to his universe/himself what TOAA is to the LT/Marvel U!The Beyonders and TOAA didnt really exist during Pre Retcon time from what i remember but i may of missed them, PRB was basically what the TOAA of the time. 3 years ago. I think you could argue rather convincingly that he's the 2nd moat powerful character in all of fiction, only behind TOAA. Almighty and TOAA are essentially the same thing so there's really no debate. So, I have TOAA (plot device) above the PR Beyonder (character). Sailor moon vs The Beyonder , i love that one , LOL! The Spectre vs Bloom (winx club)@DC_Marvel_1000: lol. But Thanos with HoTU became one with all. Mismatch, this version of Beyonder is TOAA level. #edit #short #shorts #debate #comics #marvel #marvelcomics #alightmotion So you see, in order for TOAA to totally and permanently destroy the "Real" and "True" Beyonder aka the Beyonder God he has to kill Billy219 and everyone who has ever read Secret Wars or knows. Gan & The Crimson King are good & evil sides of capital "G" God. Wiki Points. Well the Beyonder is infinite dimensional as well. This would be a contradiction, as the only infinity existing in marvelverse with no equal is TOAA. The first version of Beyonder should be able to beat anything and anyone in Marvel. Heck, even the ones who created said multiverse and pretty casually at that are massively inferior to him. Originally posted by galan7777777 yeah i know, it wasnt about the real god lol! damn isnt it amazing how a topic can go from spectre v. Far from Beyonder levels. Reply. The TOAA and Presence will beat Beyonder but if you look at my first post. login to vote. The Heart of the Universe makes this rather one sided. Thanos absorbed LT and the universe. The Living Tribunal answers only to TOAA and is regarded by him and every other abstract entity in Marvel as being omnipotent and literally "above" them all in terms of power and importance. 567. Stop the omnipotent debate, the closest thing to that is Pre Retcon Beyonder in the 80s and TOAA for later eras on average. s. They can literally do whatever they want. Given that he included the IG, its fair to assume that he wanted it to work. Here is a scan where he states even he was shaped by external forces and he couldn't defeat the Great Evil Beast" camp and the "Yeah-huh, that scan is inconclusive as he could be referring to the writers and since the GEB was his other half, it might be just. Vs Battles Wiki knows should be taken with a bucketload of salt, that said. The One-Above-All Neither of these two is defined as "The" supreme creator of the marvel omniverse, right, but TOAA seems more similar to such a being (if he indeed represents. Pre-ret Beyonder was not god, and he was not TOAA. SCP-682's adaptive powers are seriously NLF-prone. idk how he could lose to anyone except for TOAA if he's not TOAA himself. As Beyonder is meant to be from Beyond the Marvel verse. He even has some degree of control over it (like when he merged with Vulcan as a being of pure energy to give Vulcan the power he needed). Who will win in a fight between Beyonder and The Presence? Menu. Manhattan. The Beyonder is supposedly TOAA of a different fiction all together an even more complex fiction at that. XXBEERUSXX • • 1 yr. 4 years ago. This is like putting TOAA against an ant. " Current beyonder wins, But lets get this straight: This Kami dude, he is not equivelent to TOAA. a god in the naruto verse is a microbe against a beyonder whom gods (aka the abstracts) in marvel verse fear. Buuuuut, Molecule man currently is back to his old power levels. The Infinity Gauntlet's range is only the universe and time and space inside the universe. . Phoenixblue. "The Beyond" was quintillions of times more massive than the Marvel Universe. PRE RETCON BEYONDER goes to the DRAGON BALL universe and fights all Dragonball characters at the same time - this includes Zeno Sama, The Angels, Whis, All Gods of Destruction, Broly, Goku, Vegeta, etc. Beyonder was TOAA before creation or with more precise words, he. Homelander has Outerversal AP. . A resisting Beyonder isn't stronger than a non-resisting TOAA, because the TOAA can do anything he wants so he never has to resist anything happening to him (I hope that makes sense)Quacken_ 6 mo 6 d. Situation 2:DC easily takes this, just because of the existence of characters like Lucifer, Superman Prime, Darkseid, Anti-Monitor and Manhattan. Many People are Underestimating Pre Retcon Beyonder in The Comments but they are forgetting some thing. Team Lucifer Morningstar - vs - Team Beyonder #. @The Mjolnir Wielder: Doubt it, Beyonder has a weak will and can easily be manipulated.